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>Subject: Just started need help

>From: Ryan 

>Date: 9/10/00 8:14 PM Central Daylight Time

>

>What is a drive serve?  If you hit it real hard can you hit it 

from anywhere in the service area or what?





Subject:              Re: Just started need help

        Date:              11 Sep 2000 04:10:04 GMT

       From:               (Jordan Kahn)





THE DRIVE SERVE:



A drive serve is a "fast", or harder hit serve.



This is usually done in the "underhand" or "low-sideways" swing, but can also

be done from higher up if the ball is "thrown" to the floor harder on the serve

so the ball bounces higher letting the server hit a "over-hand" type serve.



There are three speeds. "Drive", which is explain above, "lob" serve, a slow

high arc serve and "half-speed" which is somewhere in the middle.



Of course this is relative to how hard you hit a ball, at least for the average

player.



A hard hitter who can serve a ball above 140 mph needs to hit their "lob"

serves and "half-speed" serves about the same speed as everyone else, or the

effect of these types of serves are lost.



The server can serve from anywhere between the back of the short line and

service line.



You can stand on the short line, but not past it while you may step past the

service line but not completely over it with either foot.



DRIVE SERVE EXCEPTION:



Any player who hits a "drive serve" to the same side wall may not break the

"drive serve line plane" before, during or after the serve until it is hit by

the receiver.



This rule does not include "Z-Serves" hit across the court or lob serves.



The drive serve line is 3 feet from each sidewall, or twice the distance as the

existing doubles lines.



Not all courts have the drive serve line.



By the way, a drive serve violation is a "fault".



A drive serve violation will occur even if a server starts their serve inside

the 3-foot drive serve line and walks across the court to serve to the side

they started from.



So players now start 3-feet from the walls, even if they use a walking motion

for their serves, unless it is a "Z-Serve" or "Lob Serve"



Good question.

Jordan



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Subject: 

             Re: Just started need help

        Date: 

             Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:35:16 -0400

       From:              "Kevin Young" 

 Organization:              Posted via Supernews, 

 Newsgroups:              alt.sport.racquetball



"Ryan Hintergardt"  wrote in message

news:sroccs7qct691@corp.supernews.com...

> What is a drive serve?  If you hit it real hard can you hit it from

anywhere

> in the service area or what?

>

    A drive serve is usually hit fairly hard and low enough to bounce twice

before it hits the back wall.  This is not an easy thing to do but you get

the picture.

    The only place you can't hit it from is very close to the same wall you

are driving the serve down.  There is a line on the floor 3 feet from each

side wall.      You or your racquet cannot cross a vertical plane of that

line while serving to the same side.  Serve cross court to the other side

and you are fine.

    "Frequently asked Questions" file can be found at the address below.

Welcome!



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Subject:              Re: Just started need help

        Date:              Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:10:35 -0500

       From:              Racquetball Central 



Ryan, a drive serve is a serve that has virtually NO ARC...basically cause you

hit it very hard.  Also you normally aim a drive serve into the back

corners...this can be done from almost any position in the service zone.



I believe there are a couple restrictions...you can't allow the racquet cross

the plane of the drive service zone when driving down the line and the serve

cannot pass too close to your body so as to obstruct the vision to the ball by

the receiver...as judged by the receiver (in self-reffed play) or the ref in

tournament play.
























You should be able to hit different serves from the  same spot and same service motion Subject:  Service Stragtegies...         Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:25:22 -0500        From:  Racquetball Central Wanted to post this before I pass out...it's late and it's been a long week (and it's only thurs :) One of the things we went over at the Adams Camp was serves and how many serves we all have.  Lynn asked us how many serves we each have...I estimated around 15-20...and then Lynn showed us how we can have ~10 from each "spot".  Really, just brought forth something we don't really think about...just how many serves we can serve from each "spot". While dealing with drive serves, there are 5 principal spots (as depicted in the pic below) to serve from.  From position 5, you can serve up to 7 different drives serves from that spot.  That's not including half lobs and full lobs...you can also change the speed and height on certain drives (ie Z serve). A main point was this...when serving from position 5 (and the other positions) ... you should "pretend" that you are serve ONE particular serve and vary the others from that "service theme".  For example...position 5 predisposes that the Z serve should be the principal serve from that position.  Position 4 is similar.  Positions 1 and 2 are DTL drive serves...everytime you serve from these positions should APPEAR that you are serving a DTL drive (1 and 2) or Z serve (4 and 5)...position 3 (the middle of the service area) affords you 2 principal service directions...drive to the left AND right...and every other serve is adapted from these (though it's hard to hit a Z serve to the left from this position...for the right...and opposite for a lefty). -- Racquetball Central http://www.racquetballcentral.com/
Subject:              Re: Service Stragtegies...         Date:              Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:25:45 -0500        From:              Racquetball Central   Organization:              Racquetball Central   Hi Alex, I forgot to list that serve...thanks for noticing.  I wouldn't suggest serving a Z serve to the right backcourt from position 4...actually, I've just never tried it.  I suspect it would pass you behind your back as you served. Try it out...maybe it works. From position 5, I occassionally do this with some success.  In your service motion...you should be facing the right front corner (as if it you were hitting stright into the front wall)...at the end of the swing, you're left foot (assuming a one-step serve) should be somewhere above position four and pointing into the corner.  If you do this when serving a Z (into the left front corner) which ends up on the right backcourt...I think you have to pull back a little in your extension (of the swing) to let the ball pass in front of you...so as to not get hit as well as it becoming a screen. That's what I gather...anyone else have any comments.  I do this serve rarely...cause I play open players and if it's not almost perfect, they've got a forehand set-up.  Often, B and below players are not that accustomed to this serve and it'll take them a while to figure it out...but it usually turns out to be a set-up for the receiver. Concerning the jam question...I usually only jam to the left and then rarely cause of the reasons you mention.  A jam to the forehand (right) side is almost suicide in my case.  But when going to the left...you absolutely HAVE TO turn and watch exactly what the receiver is going to go (I mean more than normal)...if s/he's going to go for the straight shot you'd better move or jump...and I they're gonna take it off the backwall, it gives you time to reposition yourself. Hopefully, the jam is meant to be a surprise kinda serve but if the receiver reads it well and hits it right away...you are in a bad spot and better do something fast...can turn into a hinder real quick of the avoidable flavor...and you might even get hit to boot. Good luck. Alex Glaros wrote: > Hey Ed, > > From positions 4 and 5, how do you keep from > (1) hitting yourself with the drive Z serve that ends up on the right side of > the court > (2) getting called for a screen on the drive serve to the left side of the > court? > > With respect to the jam serve to the left side of the court from positions 4 > and 5, the ball ends up kind of directly behind you.  Is this a hinder or do > you jump up to give the opponent a straight shot to the front court or move > away to the right? > > Thanks for the great tips! > > Alex Glaros > -- Racquetball Central http://www.racquetballcentral.com/
General serving tips plus lob serve info
Subject:              Re: Serve lessons

        Date:              Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:02:31 -0500

       From:              Racquetball Central 

 Organization:              Racquetball Central

       





>  I was

> wondering if there was a diagram/list/video or some other teaching method I

> could find for serves to help me get the most out of my practice time and

> give me some pointers for other serve options.



Doug, unfortunately my serve section has taken a backseat for the time

being...you might try Willie's...or is it Will's (hey, what can I say, maybe the

kid grew up :) rb tutorial...lemme check...nope...doesn't look like he's got the

serve in yet.



OK..so here's a few things to think about.



1.  There are two types of serves...offensive and defensive.

2.  Both types of serves require you find a target spot on the front wall...find

the right spot during practice...hit it during play.

3.  When hitting a drive serve...lead with your elbow.  This cannot be

emphasized enough.  If you lead with your elbow, you cannot help but to snap...I

mean snap your wrist and get some power behind your serve.  Also ... especially

lead with your elbow... on those little dink shots up in the front court...but

keep a stiff wrist.

4.  When hitting a lob...pretend your Frankenstein...be very stiff...it's all

shoulder and hit the sweet spot when the ball is ON THE WAY UP from the

bounce...Willie...we need a tutorial here!

5.  There's something called...ANGLE...SPEED...other stuff...check out this

website...wops, can't find it...it's Martin McDermott's Ektelon Pro Zone

site...try doing a search...it's basic stuff.

6.  Your practice session should devote 50% of the time to your serve...and

track your progress.  This is not only from Tom Travers but common knowledge.

Hit a serve 10 times (every session) and note how many serves were

good/acceptable...track your progress over time...this will give you confidence

on using any particular serve at any particular time.

7.  Separate the service zone into 5 sections...you should be able to hit 2-3

serves from each section.



some serves to try...



1.  Lets pretend you're right handed (same could apply for left-handed

players).  Standing near the right area of the service zone (spot 5)...you

should be able to hit at least *3* offensive serves from that spot...a drive to

the left, a drive down the line and a Z which comes back to the right.

2.  From spot 1 (leftmost) you can do the same...but as a righty...use a

cut-serve to the left (DTL), a hard serve to the right back corner and either as

a Z to the left back corner.

3.  You can at least use 2 of each type from the innermost spots 2, 3, and

4...though it's difficult to hit a good Z from these positions unless you apt.



Try this game...get a partner.  Play up to 15 as usual.  Server ALWAYS

serves...and wins points on either the serve (no return) or returning the

returners return in any fashion...that is if the server can just get the

receiver's return back to the front wall...he gets a point.  To make it

harder...just say the server can ONLY score on an unreturnable serve...OUCH!



Anyway...there's a lot of other drills/serves to try...I'll give the rest of the

group a chance to chime in.



> I have inquired locally about some lessons



Lessons...from a good teacher...can be very beneficial.  Try it out...it you see

results, stay with the lessons...if not, try someone else.  very teacher has

different methods of training/teaching./techniques...some may work for you, some

may not...it's just like demoing racquets sometimes ;-)



> P.S. The league has opened me up to several changes in the game in past

> years and I have met some great new people to play with too.  Good to be

> back in the game at any level.



Great to have you back :-)



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Racquetball Central

http://www.racquetballcentral.com/






Cliff Swain's serve Subject:              Re: Question: techniques for keeping the ball low when hitting a drive serve         Date:              Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:24:05 -0500        From:              WebSpinner   Organization:              Wilson Racquetball          To:              Alex Glaros  Alex Glaros wrote: > (trying to swing like that Cliff Swain animation that used to be at > http://www.racquetballcentral.com/ Hey, Ed, where is that .gif?  That > was a good example). Hi Alex, I took it down cause it took too long to load (along with the Sudsy diving gif and the moving ball gif)...just wanted to keep the "front page" of RC simple. But those gifs are available if you follow ... http://racquetballcentral.com -> Rball Edu -> Clip Art -> Animations  or just go directly to http://www.racquetballcentral.com/HTML/anima.htm NOTE a few things... 1) Racquet prep...this was what Cliff said was a major error by most players.  You've got to get your racquet up and ready as your moving toward the ball.  Last night he gave the example of a baseball player at the plate...have you ever seen a batter who didn't have his bat ready ;-) 2) Lead with the elbow.  This is something that I have "stolen" from Cliff after studying some of the initial videos I took of him a couple years back at the US Open.  As you can see in the gif, he really leads well with his elbow.  Generates lots of power and control...I aced Cliff 2 times last night with "his own serve" :)  Same thing on the backhand side...lead with the elbow. 3) Extension.  You can see that Cliff not only hits the ball low but he's fully extended at impact.  The ball isn't close to his body.  He's generating more power by his extended position. These are three main technique points which anyone can work on.  But one of the main differences between someone like Cliff and someone like me...is that Cliff is very solid and I'm like a jelly donut ;-)  The pros are not only strong in the legs and shoulders...but the midsection..especially someone like Sudsy.  They can generate tremendous torque from any position they might be in...along with presicion timing, experience and quickness to the ball...the torque they generate gives them that extra power, control and overal stamina. Good luck, Ed.
Subject:     Re: Question: techniques for keeping the ball low when hitting a drive serve         Date:      Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:10:16 -0700        From: "Steve Edwards"  > These are three main technique points which anyone can work on.  But one of > the main differences between someone like Cliff and someone like me...is > that Cliff is very solid and I'm like a jelly donut ;-)  The pros are not > only strong in the legs and shoulders...but the midsection..especially > someone like Sudsy.  They can generate tremendous torque from any position > they might be in...along with presicion timing, experience and quickness to > the ball...the torque they generate gives them that extra power, control and > overal stamina. > > Good luck, Ed. > One thing I learned from the article Cliff did on serving in Raquetball magazine a few months ago (and I got a chance to talk to him about it at Nationals) was staying low with your whole body.  Just hitting the ball low isn't enough - your whole body needs to be as low as possible when you contact the ball.  As soon as I started doing this, it made a huge difference in my drive serves.  Before, I could get the ball to land just behind the short line, but the angle was such that it would bounce up high enough for my opponent to get it.  Once I started staying low, my serves started staying down better.  The way I can tell if I'm staying  low enough is if I feel it in my thighs (think how your quads tighten up when you squat - I don't get quite that low, but you get the idea).  When it's late in a match and I'm getting tired, I really have to concentrate to stay low, because it takes more effort.  This doesn't mean that you still don't have to do the other things (like keeping the ball away from your body, keeping the racquet face level, etc), but it does make a big difference. Steve
Miscellaneous serve comments including topspin on serve  Subject: Re: IMPACT OF A HARD SERVE Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:05:43 -0800        From:  mdavern
Watch out Paul, Dano is a National Champion and his comment is right on. I love

playing against a hard server. Hitting it hard does not mean it does not set up

for an excellent return. If the ball is being hit so hard that it comes up, then

it is not a difficult serve to get if you are used to the speed. If it comes off

of the wall, it is a set-up. Now if it is hit at an angle to put it out of

reach, as Dano said, it is up to the ceiling for a defense return. I have seen a

serve from an Open player out of California, James Jones who came to our

Illinois Senior Masters. He had a serve with unbelievable power, but it would

skip or slide along the floor and seem to speed up as it hit the ground. When he

had it on (as he did against me) all you could do was stand there and say "Nice

serve" over and over again. He told me (after the match, of course) that he

would hit it with a type of over-spin so that the ball just does not bounce. You

ever seen that type of serve Dano?



Mike Davern

Team HEAD






Secret to hitting a Photon Serve Subject:               Re: Secret(s) to hitting a Photon Serve         Date:01 Dec 1999 14:26:30 GMT        From:(Dano 1 fit) many great points about technique and the mental approach to the serve. Be careful though about forward progression of the body during the swing. A good racquetball swing is a rotation, not a forward movement.  Thats not to say that during a rally you don't move through the ball with your entire body at times. But, on the "photon" serve, you must plant the front foot and stop the forward movement of your head hips and shoulders.  Too many people lose power and HURT THEIR ARMS AND SHOULDERS because they hit with their body weight on the front foot. If you can think about stopping your head just behind your contact point, this will force you to stop the forward movement of many body parts, and allow the hips, shoulders, wrist snap, and leg drive to benefit your power output.   If the ball drop is too far forward and you have to CHASE the ball with your body, this will cause you to lunge a little too far foward and utillize mostly shoulder and arm to hit the ball. It's a fine line.You need to keep your entire body behind the line, while maintainig a power base with which to ROTATE into the hitting zone. I hope I described this so you can imagine it in your head. If you are a golfer , imagine sliding your entire body forward so that when you make contact your head is beyond your ball placement,  this takes the body out of the swing and actually works against acquiring that power snap at the end of the swing.. Let me know if this helps. DanO